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Euphorbos - Jubas medic. the plant is named after him. Please mention.

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Pliny did not write that Juba II was the first person to discover the Canaries and Madeira; he merely described the expedition Juba had sent, which included descriptions of the islands and reports of abandoned buildings on some of the Canaries.

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http://www.ing.iac.es/PR/lapalma/pliny.html

http://www.ing.iac.es/PR/lapalma/history.html

Can someone verify what the actual text in the Lonely Planet Guide says? Twalls

Identity of daughter with Cleopatra Selene

The name of her daughter has been suggested as Drusilla, but sources state that the information is open to interpretation. See Selen for instance. Given the apparent competing theories I personally think that should be reflected in the article. --AnnekeBart (talk) 03:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Dates and sources for Octavian's restoration of the Numidian throne to Juba II

the Louvre.

Amyntas in 26, Cilicia was given to King Tarcondimotus. When Augustus added Juba II’s kingdom of Numidia to the province of Africa in 25, he gave Juba Mauretania (Morocco) to rule instead. In Armenia, on the Aspects of Roman History 82BC-AD14: A Source-based Approach By Mark Everson Davies, Hilary Swain [1]

Encyclopedia of African History 3-Volume Set - Page 251 Kevin Shillington - 2013 - ?Preview - ?More editions Mauritania then, too, became involved in the civil wars of Rome, and the kingdom was annexed to Rome by Caesar Octavian in 33BCE and then reformulated as a client-kingdom in 25BCE with Juba II of Numidia as king. Juba, son of an ... [2] [3] education in Italy. Octavian, the future emperor Augustus, befriended Juba when he was a young man and in 29 ».c. made him ruler of his father's former kingdom of Numidia, which had become a Roman province after the death of Juba I in 46

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Herods Contemporaries In Britain And The West J Creighton - Herod and Augustus, 2008 - booksandjournals.brillonline.com … BCE the king of Mauretania died and for a few years this part of Africa was ruled directly by Rome, however in 25 BCE Augustus installed Juba II there as king, where he … Iconographically the coinage marks a radical shift between Juba I in Numidia and Juba II in Mauretania …

[5] New Masters for Africa S Raven - Rome in Africa, 2012 - taylorfrancis.com … True, King Bocchus of Mauretania was rewarded for his support in the Thapsus campaign by being given the western part of Numidia; but after his death in 33 BC his kingdom was ruled directly by the Romans, and then handed over in 25 BC to Juba II, the romanized …

[6] The Roman Maghreb K Amine, M Carlson - The Theatres of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, 2012 - Springer … 10 The Pre-Colonial Maghreb citizen, highly cultivated in the arts and natural history. The Emperor Augustus restored Juba II as king of Numidia between 29 BCE and 27 BCE and married him off to Cleopatra Selene, daughter of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony … Related articles

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… of the largest cities of Roman North Africa. It also had a long and distinguished history, starting as a Punic colony; becoming a royal Numidian capital, perhaps from … TW Potter - cambridge.org … long and distinguished history, starting as a Punic colony; becoming a royal Numidian capital, perhaps from the second century BC, and most notably under the client king, Juba II (25 BC … is a fine theatre, built in Juba's reign; an unusual amphitheatre, perhaps Augustan in origin …

Doug Weller talk 13:51, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

source missing.

was Juba II really born in Hippo Regius? any sources about that?

"Juba II was a Berber prince from Numidia, he was born in Hippo Regius"

--AZSH (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Juba II as the Successor of King Bocchusband II

Before the death of the Moorish King of Mauretania Bocchus II, he left his Will at the Roman Palace because of there were no Moorish King after him to success him into it, so he asked for that his successor must have a Royal blood, and at his time there was no Numidia and all it's land becomes Mauretania's under the King Bocchus II, So Juba II succeed King Bocchus not Juba II .. PLEASE CORRECT YOUR MISTAKES. Jamaru25 (talk) 21:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 2019

Given that all the portraits of Juba are from a Roman period known for its realistic portraiture, it makes no sense to choose the least realistic of all for our article. Please read this study which explains why the bronze and its Madrid marble equivalent are considered fringe amongst all his known portraits. M.Bitton (talk) 23:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

January 2024

Link to the previous discussion

Juba 2 and Juba of Mauretania are the same person (a fact that is easily checked with a simple search on Google), any claim that this is not the case needs to be substantiated with more than a single source that mentions a certain "Juba". M.Bitton (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to ping the concerned editors: Jahl de Vautban and StarTrekker. M.Bitton (talk) 15:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem is that "Juba of Mauretania" was ill-named, as he was never of Mauretania. Let alone the name of the page, the fact there was a writer on metrics who based his work on Heliodorus and who was a different person than Juba II is well attested in standard works on antiquity^[1]^[2]^[3]. Neither source is merely "mention[ing] a certain Juba", and instead each devote some length in describing him; at this point, I don't think that his existence as someone other than Juba II should be disputed. The fact that he meets or not the notability criteria is another matter, but if not then the page should be deleted, not redirected. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 15:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem is that "Juba of Mauretania" was ill-named how so?

he was never of Mauretania he became the king of Mauretania, so the "of Mauretania" is important to differentiate him from his father.

there was a writer on metrics is he described by RS as "Juba of Mauretania"? M.Bitton (talk) 15:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if that wasn't clear, but my claim of him not being of Mauretania was about the person previously described at Juba of Mauretania, not this Juba II. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 15:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I totally understand the issue, but regardless, creating a new article about the metric writer (as you suggested) is probably the way to go (assuming there are enough sources to warrant it). M.Bitton (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To keep the page history, I'd prefer to restaure Juba of Mauretania to where I left it and rename it to Juba (writer on metric). The resulting redirection at Juba of Mauretania can then be changed to point to Juba II. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here, we're going back to square one as "Juba of Mauretania" is the common name for "Juba II". There really is no need for you to do that since all you want is to create a new article. If you don't want to lose what you wrore previously, just copy and paste it into the new article. Also, I believe that a better name for it would be Juba (Roman metrician) (but that's just my opinion). M.Bitton (talk) 16:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how we are going back to square one? Save the name what was written at Juba of Mauretania doesn't concern Juba II and I'm not intending of keeping the name "Juba of Mauretania" for the metrician. At the end of what I have outlined above, the situation will be the same as now, that is a page for Juba II, a redirect toward it at Juba of Mauretania and a new page at Juba (Roman metrician). The only difference with what you are proposing is that the whole history of Juba of Mauretania will have moved to Juba (Roman metrician). Per what is written at Help:Page_history#Moved_and_deleted_pages renaming the page is the way to go, otherwise I will have to ask for an history merge and surely the administrators have other things to do. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're making it more complicated than it ought to be. You don't need to merge anything given the old article (which should have never been created in the first place) is now a redirect (as it should be). Just create the new article (mention in the edit summary that the content has been moved from Juba of Mauretania) and be done with it. M.Bitton (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I'll stand my ground. The complicateness is on me, you'll have nothing to do. I fail to see how is that unreasonable. The page was standing until yesterday, it's not like I am restoring a page who was redirected three years ago. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be my guest. Also, don't remember to keep the content about the sources attributing his work to someone else on his article. I'm done here. M.Bitton (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jahl de Vautban: As I said above, please keep content about someone else on the other article (unless you can find sources about Juba II that mention it). M.Bitton (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton: Did you read the source before reverting me? Had you, you would have read than it starts with "This Mauretanian monarch and prolific writer, the son of King Juba I of Numidia and grandson of Hiempsal". Isn't that Juba II? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What does the source say apart from what you quoted? M.Bitton (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can read it yourself, it is available through the Wikipedia Library at [8]. The page automatically switch to Italian, but you can put it in English by clicking on "Qui si trova la versione inglese della scheda". --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will check it at some point in the future (as I've wasted more than enough time on this today). M.Bitton (talk) 17:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Ippolito, Antonella. "Iubas [2]". Lexicon of Greek Grammarians of Antiquity. Brill. Retrieved 5 January 2024.
^ Leonhardt, Jürgen. "Iuba [3] Metrician, 3rd cent. AD". Brill’s New Pauly. Brill. Retrieved 5 January 2024.
^ Kroll, Willhelm (1916). Iuba 3. Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft. pp. 2395–2397.

[1] Ippolito, Antonella. "Iubas [2]". Lexicon of Greek Grammarians of Antiquity. Brill. Retrieved 5 January 2024.

[2] Leonhardt, Jürgen. "Iuba [3] Metrician, 3rd cent. AD". Brill’s New Pauly. Brill. Retrieved 5 January 2024.

[3] Kroll, Willhelm (1916). Iuba 3. Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft. pp. 2395–2397.

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